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Schools Wrestle With Flag Policy in Classroom

Postby HRHPatey » Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:03:59 GMT

It's a new school year, but an old fight is brewing in American classrooms. Teachers and administrators around the country are scratching their heads once again over the Pledge of Allegiance.

The courts have consistently ruled that students have the right not to recite the pledge in public schools. But now some First Amendment advocates are taking it one step further, arguing that the law compels educators to inform kids at the beginning of school that the decision is entirely up to them.

They're advocating a "Miranda warning" for the Pledge -- an administrative notice to students that they have the right to remain silent.

“The Pledge of Allegiance creates a constitutional problem. You have to tell students they can opt out,” the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told FOX News.

New Mexico dealt with this question last month when its education secretary upheld that students are permitted to opt out of the Pledge, but rejected an ACLU-backed amendment that would require schools to inform parents and students that they have the option.

In Florida, schools have tried to resolve uncertainty by announcing a new policy — students don't have to participate, as long as they have a letter from Mom and Dad.

These are just the latest in a litany of challenges to the Pledge and its place in the classroom.

Americans have recited the tribute to the stars and stripes since the oath was written by Francis Bellamy, a Baptist minister, in 1892. But Bellamy's pledge did not include the words "under God," which were added by Congress in 1954 during the McCarthy era, when Cold War tensions with the Soviet Union — an atheist nation — were high in the United States.

Thirty-six states now have laws requiring that the Pledge of Allegiance be recited daily in public schools. But the oath as it's written does not sit well with some Americans.

“The Pledge doesn’t even state the truth. We are not one nation under God," Lynn said. "I don’t think we should lie to students, and there’s no way we can require them to say it.”

But supporters of the Pledge insist that the words are both constitutional and an important part of our national heritage.

“There has been a recurring effort by the ACLU and others to try to stop the Pledge of Allegiance from being said. The fact of the matter is that the American people like the Pledge of Allegiance, they like it the way it is,” Phyllis Schlafly, founder of the Eagle Forum, told FOXNews.com.

For complete story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550 ... 0000:b0:z5
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Re: Schools Wrestle With Flag Policy in Classroom

Postby catnipandcarrots » Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:32:43 GMT

The other half being Buddhist, the saying of the words "under God" were simply left silent and that action was approved by the schools. The Pledge should remain mandatory for every American, regardless of religion.
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Postby ~H*B*G~ » Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:36:11 GMT

what most people (Americans/Christians) don't realize is that the line "under God" was added after the original Pledge was written. I believe it was in the 50's. I will do my research.
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Postby ~H*B*G~ » Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:38:01 GMT

from wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

[edit] Addition of the words "under God"
"Under God" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954. The man to first initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge was Louis A. Bowman (1872-1959). The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution gave him an Award of Merit as the originator of this idea.[7][8] He spent his adult life in the Chicago area and was Chaplain of the Illinois Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. At a meeting on February 12, 1948, Lincoln's Birthday, he led the Society in swearing the Pledge with two words added, "under God." He stated that the words came from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. He repeated his revised Pledge at other meetings.[8]

In 1951, the Knights of Columbus, the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization, also began including the words, "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.[9] In New York City, on April 30, 1951, the Board of Directors of the Knights of Columbus adopted a resolution to amend the text of their Pledge of Allegiance at the opening of each of the meetings of the 800 Fourth Degree Assemblies of the Knights of Columbus by addition of the words "under God" after the words "one nation." In the following two years, the idea spread throughout Knights of Columbus organizations nationwide. On August 21, 1952, the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus at its annual meeting adopted a resolution urging that the change be made universal and copies of this resolution were sent to the President, the Vice President (as Presiding Officer of the Senate) and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. The National Fraternal Congress meeting in Boston on September 24, 1952, adopted a similar resolution upon the recommendation of its President, Supreme Knight Luke E. Hart. Several State Fraternal Congresses acted likewise almost immediately thereafter. This campaign led to several official attempts to prompt Congress to adopt the Knights of Columbus’ policy for the entire nation. These attempts failed.
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Re: Schools Wrestle With Flag Policy in Classroom

Postby HRHPatey » Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:50:36 GMT

Maybe I am completely off base, but just offering my two sense.....

Personally, I believe the Pledge of Allegiance to be just that .. a pledge to honor the Country. This (to me) is not a religious declaration. Patriotism in the US is powerful, it has brought together social divides and is the very foundation that will in a moment, show solidarity to anyone who might discredit it.

It is possibly easy for me to say this as I am a Christian and the term 'Under God' I embrace, but that said, I do not say the Pledge of Allegiance, as with your 'other half' stay silent, but stand as a sign of respect.
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Re: Schools Wrestle With Flag Policy in Classroom

Postby blueblood » Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:18:58 GMT

The ACLU is one of the most anti American, disgusting organizations in existence and they thrive on our own constitution to promote their agenda. Much more dangerous than AL-Qaeda, the enemy is within and masquerading as an American. God help us!!! :evil:

They are at the root of most things that make no sense in our system like the Miranda Act!!!! Lets let serial killers go to kill again because of procedure!!!! Only in America.
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