Monroe Chat

We are headed that way folks! We may have just experienced the coldest July ever! The Globe as a whole has been COLD COLD COLD COLD..... The Earth is cooling right before our very eyes and I thought it was going to be a steady decline but the Earth's temperatures is cooling rapidly! I predict the Global Warming scheme will be reversed in the very very near future.... I am thinking less then 10 years....

This has no more to do with climate change than health care reform has to do with your well being! This is all about power and control.

The bible says Gods ways are not man's ways. We are unable to figure out what He has done, much less how He did it and what we do learn when judged by an independant open mind only leads us to be amazed at the enormity and complexity of creation.

Global warming is a religion to extend a false perpetuity.

The Global Warming scheme has already been reversed. That's why they're calling it "Climate Change" now. This way, when the Earth either cools or warms, it's the Human's (and America's) fault.
Then Al Gore can continue making money by selling carbon credits or trees or oil or whatever he's selling. All in the name of saving the planet from us horrible humans.

Less than a year doesn't seem like a long-term trend to me.

The overall trend still looks like it's going up over the long term.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif

no no no no no...

No one knows exactly how much Earth’s climate will warm due to carbon emissions, but a new study this week suggests scientists’ best predictions about global warming might be incorrect. The study, which appears in Nature Geoscience, found that climate models explain only about half of the heating that occurred during a well-documented period of rapid global warming in Earth’s ancient past. The study, which was published online today, contains an analysis of published records from a period of rapid climatic warming about 55 million years ago known as the Palaeocene-Eocene thermal maximum, or PETM.

“In a nutshell, theoretical models cannot explain what we observe in the geological record,” said oceanographer Gerald Dickens, a co-author of the study and professor of Earth science at Rice University. “There appears to be something fundamental"

Take a look at that real close... This is scientific data not from the liberal media but from actual scientific data that the darn MEDIA refuses to report. Global warming is a huge sheme that Al Gore has made millions upon millions off of. Its sickening!

here are the Beatles when you need them? Someone inside EPA has brought to my attention how Oregon Rep. Earl Blumenauer has proposed legislation calling on a federal agency to define toilet paper.

Really. It says it right in the bill, the “Water Resources Protection Act” (I know, I know — you were expecting it to be called the Protecting Infrastructure and Sewer Systems Act):

‘‘SEC. 4172. DEFINITIONS AND SPECIAL RULE.

‘(b) WATER DISPOSAL PRODUCT. — For purposes of this subchapter —

(4) TOILET TISSUE. — The term ‘toilet tissue’ means toilet tissue, as determined under regulations prescribed by the Secretary.”

No, it’s not as silly as it sounds. It’s sillier.

The rulemaking to define what rises to the level of a bottom-wipe is in the name of a good cause: to tax the stuff. The current band of feds don’t think you’ve paid enough tax — this has been established ad nauseum — and now want a dedicated revenue, er, stream, to pay to replace corroded pipes and overburdened sewer sytems nationwide.

We know what else is involved in the confines of the rest room so, naturally, there’s a “climate change mitigation” section as well though, upon initial scrutiny, it isn’t as invasive as the context indicates should be the case.

It actually gets even more inane: in addition to adding a “3% excise tax on items disposed of in wastewater, such as toothpaste, cosmetics, toilet paper and cooking oil [because these] products wind up in the water stream and require clean up by sewage treatment plants,” according to Blumenauer’s Fact Sheet, water-based beverages, which actually hit the infrastructure both coming and, ah, going (as anyone who’s ever stood in line at a sporting event knows). So, those are hit with a four-cent per-container excise tax. Feeling flush yet?

This is a nice addendum to the dossier that, I believe, we will look back on as having been rolled up by a congressional majority (and indeed, entire political class) that soon found itself circling the drain.

here u go..

Article Excerpt: Tom Tripp, a member of the UN IPCC since 2004, is listed as one of 450 IPCC “lead authors” who reviewed reports from 800 contributing writers whose work in turn, was reviewed by more than 2,500 experts worldwide. (Tripp, a metallurgical engineer, is the Director of Technical Services & Development for U.S. Magnesium.) [...]

At Thursday’s [Utah Farm Bureau] convention, Tripp found a receptive audience among the 250 people attending the conference. He said there is so much of a natural variability in weather it makes it difficult to come to a scientifically valid conclusion that global warming is man made. “It well may be, but we’re not scientifically there yet.”

Tripp also criticized modeling schemes to evaluate global warming, but stopped short of commenting on climate modeling used by the IPCC, saying “I don’t have the expertise.” Full article here:

What ICE melt???


http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6547

Midsummer farce in the Arctic: Greenpeace flees ice "way thicker than anything we can break"
Climate Rescue Weblog
The helicopter gets off the deck at 0800. The ship's main engine starts 20 minutes later.
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The Arctic Ocean pack ice has invaded Nares Strait. It is old (called multi-year) sea ice, and averages six meters thick. This is way thicker than anything we can break with Arctic Sunrise. So before it can trap us in Hall Basin, we escape south. The crew all walks around telling each other that this is good, as we are all bored with Petermann.
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The sea ice is chasing us into the bay of large icebergs. The east side of Kane Basin is the Humboldt Glacier. Being a grounded glacier, the pieces that break off are huge. As a result, Kane Basin is littered with icebergs. There are maybe 70 that we can see from here. It's a real contrast to Petermann, where the glacier is floating. From a distance the glacier ice breaking off from Petermann does not seem very different from the sea ice that forms over the winter. But these icebergs from Humboldt are ten to twenty meters high.
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For the first time in this trip we do some real icebreaking. The ice is mostly first-year sea ice, sprinkled with pieces of glacier ice, which is much harder. It does not look very thick, and seem to be 50% melt pools, some of which go right through. At first, it is pretty easy going. With 90% power on, we are just able to break through the 50cm ice. Then we have to stop, back up one ship length, and charge at it again. And again. And again. As we cut alongside a large ‘berg, I understand Arne's explanation of ice under pressure. Here is ebb tide is pushing the floating sea ice against the grounded berg. The ice stops cracking ahead of us. We have to back up every boat length, and ram it again.

This explains Arne's first rule of icebreaking. Avoid it. Always look for a lead or a way to get around it. Icebreaking is time consuming and sucks down tons of fuel.

Revealed: the secret evidence of global warming Bush tried to hidePhotos from US spy satellites declassified by the Obama White House provide the first graphic images of how the polar ice sheets are retreating in the summer. The effects on the world's weather, environments and wildlife could be devastating

Suzanne Goldenberg and Damian Carrington
The Observer, Sunday 26 July 2009


Graphic images that reveal the devastating impact of global warming in the Arctic have been released by the US military. The photographs, taken by spy satellites over the past decade, confirm that in recent years vast areas in high latitudes have lost their ice cover in summer months.

The pictures, kept secret by Washington during the presidency of George W Bush, were declassified by the White House last week. President Barack Obama is currently trying to galvanise Congress and the American public to take action to halt catastrophic climate change caused by rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

One particularly striking set of images - selected from the 1,000 photographs released - includes views of the Alaskan port of Barrow. One, taken in July 2006, shows sea ice still nestling close to the shore. A second image shows that by the following July the coastal waters were entirely ice-free.

The photographs demonstrate starkly how global warming is changing the Arctic. More than a million square kilometres of sea ice - a record loss - were missing in the summer of 2007 compared with the previous year.

Nor has this loss shown any sign of recovery. Ice cover for 2008 was almost as bad as for 2007, and this year levels look equally sparse.

"These are one-metre resolution images, which give you a big picture of the summertime Arctic," said Thorsten Markus of Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Centre. "This is the main reason why we are so thrilled about it. One-metre resolution is the dimension that's been missing."

Disappearing summer sea ice poses considerable dangers, scientists have warned. Ice shelves are used by animals such as polar bears as platforms for hunting seals and other sea creatures. Without them, they could starve. In addition, ice reflects solar radiation. Without that process, the Arctic sea could warm up even more. The phenomenon threatens to set off runaway heating of the planet, say climatologists.

The latest revelations have triggered warnings from scientists that they no longer have the funds to keep a comprehensive track of climate change. Last week the head of the US's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), Professor Jane Lubchenco, warned that the gathering of satellite data - crucial to predicting future climate changes - was now at "great risk" because America's ageing satellite fleet was not being replaced.

"Our primary focus is maintaining the continuity of climate observations, and those are at great risk right now because we don't have the resources to have satellites at the ready and taking the kinds of information that we need," said Lubchenco, who was appointed by Obama. "We are playing catch-up."

Even before her warning, scientists were saying that America, the world's scientific superpower, was virtually blinding itself to climate change by cutting funds to the environmental satellite programmes run by the Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and Nasa. A report by the National Academy of Sciences this year warned that the environmental satellite network was at risk of collapse.

In February, a Nasa satellite carrying instruments to produce the first map of the Earth's carbon emissions crashed near Antarctica only three minutes after lift-off.

The satellite would have measured carbon emissions at 100,000 points around the planet every day, providing a wealth of data compared to the 100 or so fixed towers currently in operation in a land-based network.

The NOAA is under additional pressure to provide environmental data because of the re-emergence of the El Niño climate phenomenon, where warming of the tropical Pacific causes heatwaves, droughts and flooding around the world. June's land and sea surface temperatures were the second hottest on record, and scientists are predicting this will be the warmest decade in recorded history. The last major El Niño was in 1998, the hottest year in recorded history.

The Obama administration has already taken steps to tackle America's flagging scientific lead. The president's economic recovery plan allotted $170m (£100m) to help close the gaps in climate modelling. The NOAA is seeking an additional $390m in its 2010 budget to upgrade environmental satellites, and help make data more available to researchers and government officials.

Where are the photos? Again another article full of twist and turns but there is scientific data suggesting ICE OVERALL has increased. Certain areas of the arctic are still down from the previous warming period.
Here is a good scientific experiment to do:

1. Get out an ice tray or a big cup of ice.
2. Melt that ice at room temperature for about 1-3 hours depending on how much ICE you use.
3. Then either A. Put the melted ice back in the trays or in the cup.
4. Freeze that ice again.
5. The first thing you will notice is LESS ICE.
6. Do steps 2-4 again
7. By this time there will be a considerable less ICE then you started with.
Things such as evaporation play a major role in less ice being present.
Basically this is just one example of why there will be less ice at the arctic because when the it did melt alot of that water evaporated into the atmohsphere therefore when it refreezes you have less ICE.

ursosju25 wrote:Where are the photos? Again another article full of twist and turns but there is scientific data suggesting ICE OVERALL has increased. Certain areas of the arctic are still down from the previous warming period.
Here is a good scientific experiment to do:

1. Get out an ice tray or a big cup of ice.
2. Melt that ice at room temperature for about 1-3 hours depending on how much ICE you use.
3. Then either A. Put the melted ice back in the trays or in the cup.
4. Freeze that ice again.
5. The first thing you will notice is LESS ICE.
6. Do steps 2-4 again
7. By this time there will be a considerable less ICE then you started with.
Things such as evaporation play a major role in less ice being present.
Basically this is just one example of why there will be less ice at the arctic because when the it did melt alot of that water evaporated into the atmohsphere therefore when it refreezes you have less ICE.

Here's another good scientific experiment:

1. Freeze some ice in a tray in your freezer.
2. Unplug the freezer.
3. The ice in the freezer will melt, indicating that it is getting warmer in the freezer.